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		<title>Comment on Santa Ana, Herrada del Tollo and SGR by antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 06:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, we are not acquainted with the role of BBVA in this development. However, this is a frequently asked question that we come across and we are inclined to think that the BANK, being a crucial element of the real estate transaction and knowing that these monies were advance payments by consumers, has a liability.As far as we know, only one action has been succesful, in Madrid, and the particular case involves a property buyer that was lent the money, by a bank, to buy the property. The developer was itself client of the same bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, we are not acquainted with the role of BBVA in this development. However, this is a frequently asked question that we come across and we are inclined to think that the BANK, being a crucial element of the real estate transaction and knowing that these monies were advance payments by consumers, has a liability.As far as we know, only one action has been succesful, in Madrid, and the particular case involves a property buyer that was lent the money, by a bank, to buy the property. The developer was itself client of the same bank.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Santa Ana, Herrada del Tollo and SGR by antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 06:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Stephen, 

This is not strictly speaking a precedent as it is a Court of First Instance ruling but represents the opinion of Judge that is likely, within the same judicial district and among the Judges of the area, to be the prevailing stream of thought in respect to the matter. It was clear that SGR was guaranteeing the transaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Stephen, </p>
<p>This is not strictly speaking a precedent as it is a Court of First Instance ruling but represents the opinion of Judge that is likely, within the same judicial district and among the Judges of the area, to be the prevailing stream of thought in respect to the matter. It was clear that SGR was guaranteeing the transaction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Santa Ana, Herrada del Tollo and SGR by Stephen Reddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Reddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this set a precident for others to follow the same path?  Also, is BBVA liable, given that they continued to receive deposits knowing that there were no Bank Guarantees being issued, and more importantly they didn&#039;t ring fence the monies.

Regards,

Steve Reddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this set a precident for others to follow the same path?  Also, is BBVA liable, given that they continued to receive deposits knowing that there were no Bank Guarantees being issued, and more importantly they didn&#8217;t ring fence the monies.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Steve Reddy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aifos bosses in trouble again by antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention that the State Prosecutor considers that the above action deserves 3 years imprisonment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention that the State Prosecutor considers that the above action deserves 3 years imprisonment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Buyer at Santa Ana del Monte Wins Court Case Against Unusual Insurer by antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear John,

Thank you for your email. 

In principle, you did go down the route that every other claimant has, which is to join the insolvency proceedings and wait for the outcome of the voting by the creditors. Unfortunately though, generally speaking there is little one can do given that the majority of voting power lies with the bank, the biggest creditor, and perhaps a few suppliers, and so buyers have little power.

In addition to the above, there is a great deal of uncertainty when going into insolvency proceedings because they take long, one does not know when they finish and one does not know how much will be returned. In your case, you have some expectation to recover a significant part of the deposit but over a protracted length of time as you have reached an agreement.

My client is also in the same situation as you: she joined the proceedings you are currently in and is awaiting to get a response. When she approached us we said we could not help her as there was little advice we could give her to improve her position. In other words, we would have charged her for advice that had no perceptible added value.

With the insurance policy things change now, as she is entitled to claim directly from this company. 3 notes on this:

1-	We don’t know how profitable this insurer is, and if they have funds available.
2-	We are waiting confirmation on whether they will appeal the ruling.
3-	Irrespective of point 2, we will enforce the ruling, which under Spanish law we are entitled to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John,</p>
<p>Thank you for your email. </p>
<p>In principle, you did go down the route that every other claimant has, which is to join the insolvency proceedings and wait for the outcome of the voting by the creditors. Unfortunately though, generally speaking there is little one can do given that the majority of voting power lies with the bank, the biggest creditor, and perhaps a few suppliers, and so buyers have little power.</p>
<p>In addition to the above, there is a great deal of uncertainty when going into insolvency proceedings because they take long, one does not know when they finish and one does not know how much will be returned. In your case, you have some expectation to recover a significant part of the deposit but over a protracted length of time as you have reached an agreement.</p>
<p>My client is also in the same situation as you: she joined the proceedings you are currently in and is awaiting to get a response. When she approached us we said we could not help her as there was little advice we could give her to improve her position. In other words, we would have charged her for advice that had no perceptible added value.</p>
<p>With the insurance policy things change now, as she is entitled to claim directly from this company. 3 notes on this:</p>
<p>1-	We don’t know how profitable this insurer is, and if they have funds available.<br />
2-	We are waiting confirmation on whether they will appeal the ruling.<br />
3-	Irrespective of point 2, we will enforce the ruling, which under Spanish law we are entitled to.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Buyer at Santa Ana del Monte Wins Court Case Against Unusual Insurer by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. I read with interest your blog about the Santa Ana/SGR ruling. My husband and I are in the same position, having purchased 2 properties on Santa Ana and having no bank guarantee. Via our current lawyer (based in the UK) we have gone down the route of trying to get our deposits back only to be offered a 65% return over 5 years. The only addition is that he is also trying to get us recognised as extra-ordinary creditors. However when I went through my paperwork I found copies of generic bank guarantees (in part) that my agent had sent me for SGR and Banco Pastor. My question is has SGR now paid your client or are they taking the case going to appeal? Given the success of your case I would be very interested to find out the costs/timescales involved in taking similar action. Many thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. I read with interest your blog about the Santa Ana/SGR ruling. My husband and I are in the same position, having purchased 2 properties on Santa Ana and having no bank guarantee. Via our current lawyer (based in the UK) we have gone down the route of trying to get our deposits back only to be offered a 65% return over 5 years. The only addition is that he is also trying to get us recognised as extra-ordinary creditors. However when I went through my paperwork I found copies of generic bank guarantees (in part) that my agent had sent me for SGR and Banco Pastor. My question is has SGR now paid your client or are they taking the case going to appeal? Given the success of your case I would be very interested to find out the costs/timescales involved in taking similar action. Many thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Corvera Golf and Country Club Group Legal Action by antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Michael, this is the million dollar question and it being now ventilated through the Courts. The developer is settling in some instances, name in pahse 4 contracts that have not been built, but it remains to be seen how will they react in respect of other phases. The reality is that the property is not worth the same, without all the facilities and therefore, the dilemma with the judge would be whether this would amount to a fundamental breach of contract or not. In the first case, a full refund would be applicable and in the second, a reduction of the price the most likely scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Michael, this is the million dollar question and it being now ventilated through the Courts. The developer is settling in some instances, name in pahse 4 contracts that have not been built, but it remains to be seen how will they react in respect of other phases. The reality is that the property is not worth the same, without all the facilities and therefore, the dilemma with the judge would be whether this would amount to a fundamental breach of contract or not. In the first case, a full refund would be applicable and in the second, a reduction of the price the most likely scenario.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Grupo Lar One of the Most Reliable Developers in Spain? by antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Copley, only the people who decided to go to Court against the developer were awarded the compensation, as stated in the contract. This was not the case with private purchase contract holders that settled with the developer directly or claimed on Zurich insurance policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Copley, only the people who decided to go to Court against the developer were awarded the compensation, as stated in the contract. This was not the case with private purchase contract holders that settled with the developer directly or claimed on Zurich insurance policy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Grupo Lar One of the Most Reliable Developers in Spain? by Anne Copley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Copley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was one of those investors and only ever received deposit and minimal interest no 50% compensation!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was one of those investors and only ever received deposit and minimal interest no 50% compensation!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Corvera Golf and Country Club Group Legal Action by michael lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 20:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We completed at Roda golf in May 2009. The promised facilities have not been provided, namely 5* De Vere hotel &amp; commercial centre. In addition our villa backs onto the phase 4b area which is supposed to be luxury apartments &amp; swimming pools, but is still a large hole in the ground with temporary fencing around it as it has been for the past 3-4 years. This has a massive negative effect on our property&#039;s value &amp; possible rental potential. Would we have a case against Calidona?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We completed at Roda golf in May 2009. The promised facilities have not been provided, namely 5* De Vere hotel &amp; commercial centre. In addition our villa backs onto the phase 4b area which is supposed to be luxury apartments &amp; swimming pools, but is still a large hole in the ground with temporary fencing around it as it has been for the past 3-4 years. This has a massive negative effect on our property&#8217;s value &amp; possible rental potential. Would we have a case against Calidona?</p>
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